over the last 25 years, we have created enough value and if you pick the right stock, you can withstand volatility and end up making more money than most other asset classes in Indian equity market. Edited excerpts
I think we have to differentiate global market vis-a-vis India. In my 15 years' career, I have always read a headline that the best performing hedge fund is predicting a correction. Now even a broken watch gives time correctly twice in a day and this best performing hedge fund or the best performing market guru does not remain constant, it keeps on changing. I have also seen person who is known as predictor of gloom, boom and doom every year talking about Indian markets crashing and correcting. If I had followed his advice in 5 years, I would have probably lost my job 15 times.
Let us separate the doom sayers because it is their job to give extremely wild predictions. If there is 0.01 per cent probability of its coming correct, for life they become hero. Let us focus on our fundamentals. Is the Indian market running little bit ahead of its fundamentals? The answer is yes. If there is a steep correction in Indian market because of some global volatility like it happened in October 2008, I think it will be temporary. It will be short term and markets will bounce back very quickly after that uncertainty or volatility is over. It does not mean that we cannot have correction in this market. Certainly there could be correction, but there would not be deep, they would not be lasting.
Now in that context, let us also understand yesterday's two central bank action or inaction as you called it. The Bank of Japan after providing liquidity, after keeping interest rates in negative for years, ran up debt to the extent of 250% of GDP. After Bank of Japan becoming a significant owner in majority of Japanese stocks, now they are going into a territory where they are saying that will continue to buy government securities in a manner so that the yield curve will be as per our requirement, yield curve will be as per our need. Now these are all uncharted territory. This is where central bank probably gives a put options to the equity market. Where will this end who knows but till such time it is continuing, you have no option but to remain participant in the equity market, otherwise you will end up a significant part of rally.
On the US Fed side also, as child we were always reading that story of tiger coming, tiger coming, tiger coming, in December 2015 while raising US Fed rate after a decade, they indicated four rate hikes in 2016. Now, it will be just about one. So, clearly they also are getting data dependent, they also are trying to give put option to the equity markets to sustain growth. Probably, future of America is what the past of Japan is. So my request to viewers will be do not really go by the wildest predictions, do not really go by the extreme forecast that is unlikely to happen. Let us focus on our country, our fundamentals, our stocks. Over last 25 years, we have created enough value and if you pick up stocks rightly with right temperament and you can withstand volatility which might come on the way, I am sure you will end up making more money than most other asset classes in Indian equity market.
For equities to do well, two things have to be in place - attractive valuations and lot of liquidity. There is lot of liquidity and there will be lot of liquidity. Valuation is where the discomfort is. I mean what you want to buy is not cheap, what you do not want to buy is really cheap. Now you may buy stocks but the stocks may see a lot of time-wise correction because earnings recovery is already in the price.
It is absolutely brilliant observation. What you want to buy is not cheap and what you do not want to buy is probably available cheap. But then every day you do not get a batting pitch to bat upon. That batting pitch was available in February 2016. Now, if you were sleeping on that day, bad luck to you, the market is not going to give you an easy opportunity so that you can make money sitting idly on a beach. It does not work that way. Tendulkar became the greatest batsman by not only batting on the batting pitch but he also took the battle on the balling pitch. He took the balls on his chin, on his helmet, on his bat and that is where he became Tendulkar.
So, please do not expect markets to give you easy opportunity to make money and especially in today's market you have to pick up stocks right correctly, you have to have right temperament to withstand volatility and you have to have long-term investment horizon to make money. Making money is not easy. Who told you that it is easy to become billionaire is wrong, otherwise all of us would have become billionaires.
The common conundrum of late is that we have been hearing rhetoric and I started off our discussion the way that there could be a correction now. I take on board your point that do not get lured by or do not get bothered by a lot of what is happening but we have to admit that growth has not come back in a hurry and there is a remote possibility of a correction that may come in and give an opportunity to buy. My question to you is should people who are not SIP investors but actual stock investors wait for an opportunity right now? Could that come in or do you not foresee a chance of a meaningful correction coming in?
: I think for the stock investors even today in this market there are opportunities to buy stocks now whether they are fully priced or fairly priced. There is value as a stock picker. You can start buying stocks even in today's market. Of course your rate of expected return will be lower than what if markets correct 10-15% but if you are a stock picker you have no option but to pick up stocks depending upon your time horizon.
Now if you are not a stock picker, there is a very simple common sense technique of asset allocation. Today's fair value of market have neutral allocation to equity if your risk profile is not very aggressive. Within that risk profile if there is a correction, you can always increase your allocation to equity. No one says that being a stock investor, you have to put 100% of your net worth in stock market. If there is correction, you can always shift some allocation from debt and other portions into stock market.
Thursday, September 22, 2016
: Ideally, you can create a blend which kind of creates a portfolio of growth at reasonable prices or growth at reasonable valuations. Today we are seeing that the consumption related stocks probably have advantage partly because of good monsoon prevailing all over the country which will boost rural consumption, agriculture, rural demand that should result into higher consumption.
The second thing is availability of liquidity and lower interest rates which again will boost consumption. The third thing is related to seventh pay commission, money going into the hands of government employees and pensioners and that money will start getting spend.
We have already seen some encouraging signs in consumption courtesy all these factors in Onam festival in Kerala and probably Ganesh festival in Maharashtra. So my guess is that today probably it is worth focusing on the consumption side of the market rather than the investment side of the market, investment side will take time to revive but consumption related stocks be it in automobiles, auto components, white goods, consumer electronics or private sector banks and NBFCs financing that activity, cement, house improvements all these items which are related to consumption probably has still some way to deliver outperformance in the market.
The only fear in this market I can see is in IT now. There are two thoughts here: thought number one, it is a mature business, it is a contracting business; thought number two, outstanding companies, super balance sheet, cash rich, return on equity is enviable. Which side of the equation would you like to associate yourself with?
: I want to disagree that the fear of the market is in IT. I am sure you would have started receiving some of those SMSs and whatsapp which I have received in last 10-15 days... buy this particular stock, guaranteed return, this is the stop loss and this is the return. Many of those stocks have actually started behaving in line with the prediction. I think the fear of the market is in those penny stocks, those illiquid stocks where prices are moving up little bit here and there and some gullible investors who are probably first time or second time investors in the market are getting into that trap, that is the fear of the market.
On the other side, on the IT sector side, it is a manthan (churn) which is going on. Clearly their valuations give you the confidence and the comfort but there is a disruption which is coming. We are in the business model where we have provided let us say hedge and hands and legs to carry out the work on application maintenance, on infrastructure services and so on and so forth.
Many of our companies have started moving into digital side, into product side but it is not really giving that large revenue that one can hope that the future leaders in that segment will come from India. So it is that churn period where probably for the time being IT sector will remain consolidated, the cheap valuation will protect the downside but the concerns on the growth will cap the upside. If in this churn we can pick up companies which will go into digital space, which will go into product space, which will go into consulting space which can create applications like whatsapp or which can create games like Pokemon Go those will be the future winners but as of today there are limited visibility on such kind of outcome.
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